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An INTERVIEW with Dr. Mirjam Cvetic

ESI Special Topics, June 2004
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/blackholes/interviews/MirjamCvetic.html

In the Special Topic on Black Holes research over the past decade, Dr. Mirjam Cvetic’s work ranks at #9, with 36 papers cited 845 times. According to the ISI Essential Science Indicators Web product, Dr. Cvetic has 126 papers cited a total of 2,331 times to date to her credit in the field of Physics. Dr. Cvetic is a Professor of High Energy Theoretical Physics at the University of Pennsylvania. In the interview below, she talks with our correspondent Gary Taubes about her highly cited work on black holes.

ST:  The first questions are obvious ones. Your most-cited papers are on so-called BPS black holes. So what does BPS stand for, what are they, what can you tell us about how this research got started, and what makes it so important?

Well, I started doing this work in the early 1990s, just as I was beginning as an assistant professor at the University of Pennsylvania. It had to do with the gravitational aspects of supergravity theory, with ground-state solutions of supergravity theory. I was working with four-dimensional theories in particular, like the real world. This led me to study what we call domain walls, which are gravitational objects that can interpolate between different ground state solutions of this theory. The simplest form of those are known as BPS solitons and BPS stands for the names of the authors: Bogomol'nyi, Prasad, and Sommerfeld. So I was working in the early 1990s on these very symmetric topological objects in superstring theory because they are stable and have a lot of beautiful properties, and that attracted me to study these objects. They are the simplest solutions. They have both mass and charge and those have an equality between them, which makes the solution extra beautiful. It keeps the symmetry of the original theory. Anyway, this was all prior to when they become a big popular subject, which happened during the second string revolution in the fall of 1994 and the beginning of 1995.

ST:  Do you prefer to work on subjects that are somewhat off the beaten path?


For the first time, with the advent of these D-branes, we had rigorous methods to connect the area of these black hole configurations to the underlying microscopic properties.”

I am definitely not the kind of person who chases the latest fad. My approach to science is more of a programmatic approach. I stumbled over these beautiful configurations and then set myself up to systematically pursue other BPS configurations, in part because of their beauty, and in part because I believe they have something to do with our understanding of nature.

At the time, the BPS solitons were not the focus of the community so I had time, with my students and collaborators, to develop the tools to construct solutions of the relevant equations and understand their features. Those are configurations in supergravity theory that have basically the minimal energy in their class. That makes them very special. They are stable. They are protected from what we call quantum corrections. They have certain classical features that are attractive, this equality between mass and charge. Their other important feature turned out to be something known as the area of the horizon which specifies the thermodynamic entropy of the black hole. The existence of BPS black holes in string theory with finite area of the horizon became an important issue in early-to-mid ‘90s, since it was believed that the horizon area of such black holes could have microscopic interpretation as the black hole statistical entropy. In the spring of 1995, Donam Youm, a student of mine, and I constructed the first example of a BPS black hole in string theory that had a finite horizon area and could serve as a prototype for the microscopic interpretation of the black hole entropy. Subsequently, working with Arkady Tseytlin, I made early important contributions to their microscopic interpretation by studying the excitation modes of the extended objects-branes which are constituents of such black holes.

ST:  Why do you think this work has become so highly cited?

As I said, I had the whole series of papers that developed techniques for construction of these special BPS black holes. Then with the second string revolution, these BPS black holes became a hot subject. For the first time, with the advent of these D-branes, we had rigorous methods to connect the area of these black hole configurations to the underlying microscopic properties. The real breakthrough came with the work of Strominger and Vafa, who employed the quantum theory of D-branes to shed light on the microscopics—the internal quantum mechanical states—of this exact type of black hole that we had been working with all along. In other words, examples of this black hole that we had constructed provided prototypes for which we could now describe the microscopics.

ST:  It must have been an exciting time for you.

Well, I also happened to be on sabbatical leave that fall at the Institute for Advanced Study. This was when we were all feeling this excitement about the unification of all these disparate string theories into what is now called M theory. The recognition that these non-perturbative objects, these BPS states, played an important role in understanding this unification came on top of everything else. But, yes, it was exciting the way physics just kind of turned my way.

ST:  With the world catching up to your work on BPS black holes, did you have to change the way you work as well?

You know, it was a blessing and a curse. It was exciting, but I also felt a certain pressure now that what I was doing was hot. Although, that pressure also motivated me. So those years, 1995 to 1997, were also my most productive years. The main prize went to Strominger and Vafa, but I did really good work and contributed.

ST:  You say that as though you have regrets about how the work turned out. Is that fair to say? Is there anything you would do differently, looking at back at this era?

I have to say I wish I had had more courage at the time. I may have been a little bit too conservative. I was aware that these black holes could be interpreted in terms of these D-branes; however Strominger and Vafa made the important insights into quantum interpretations of such D-branes. Had I been somewhat more courageous my work might have made even more impact. I had all these BPS black holes and yet I didn't really dare to apply the technique of counting D-brane microstates, which was similar to the counting employed with Arkady Tseytlin prior to the advent of D-branes. But nevertheless my programmatic effort I pursued still paid off. I was contributing to these microscopic interpretations, but my primary role was constructing those prototypes, really providing the right types of black holes with which we could say something important.

ST:  Where did you go with these BPS black holes after the string theory revolution?

From 1996 through 1998 I continued to focus on aspects of these BPS black holes, particularly rotational solutions. I did some work with Finn Larson, who was a post-doc here, and who worked with Frank Wilczek on black hole microscopics prior to D-branes. It was a programmatic approach with the goal to push our understanding of the microscopics of these black holes beyond these BPS configurations, beyond even near-BPS configurations. Can we understand this for general black holes, not just these special BPS ones?

ST:  And could you?

We were only semi-successful. The ultimate verdict on this program is that these microscopics can really only be understood for black holes that are close to the limit of BPS black holes, where you have this beautiful feature that the mass is precisely related to the charge. When one considers black holes far away from that limit, when the mass is an independent parameter, you have a huge class of other solutions for which we lose the microscopic understanding.

ST:  How would you describe the state of string theory and black hole research today?

I would say we’re in a consolidation phase. In other words, there is no specific-focused direction. It’s a little bit like the early 1990s. People are working on different aspects of what we believe is the fundamental theory, but there is no unifying focus at the moment driving everybody in one direction.

ST:  And where is your own research program aiming now?

I'm continuing to work on both gravitational and particle physics aspects of string theory. My focus is understanding explicitly the spaces on which we can compactify these multi-dimensional string theories. I'm trying to understand how much real particle physics we can get from string theory. Can we get standard model with three families of quarks and leptons? So I'm still trying to marry the gravitational aspects of string theory to the particle physics aspects.

ST:  Isn’t that the ultimate goal, to derive particle physics from string theory? And are you optimistic that it can be done, at least in our lifetime?

People dismiss all that now because we can in principle find a huge number of four-dimensional solutions from string theory. So a lot of people now say, "Let’s not even bother to construct such solutions. We know there will be a huge number. Let’s try to study these solutions statistically and try to derive something from there." I see it differently. I believe we have to dirty our hands at some point. We have to really try to construct these things. Even if we know there are billions of possibilities, we have to demonstrate how far we can get to something that looks like the real world. It is not the approach to the ultimate prize, but it’s a way of seeing how far we can get. To make a long story short, I am personally excited about the recent constructions with intersecting D-branes, since they provide intriguing examples of the models with the semi-realistic particle physics feature. We have constructed a larger class of models, and they're more realistic and look more and more like the standard model, with fewer and fewer potential problems. And along the way we have advanced techniques to construct such solutions. Will I find the ultimate vacuum of string theory? Probably not. But understanding this class of solutions may play an important role in the effort. This is my main motivation at this point.End

Mirjam Cvetic, Ph.D.
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA, USA

ESI Special Topics, June 2004
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/blackholes/interviews/MirjamCvetic.html

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