An INTERVIEW with Dr. Mirjam Cvetic
ESI Special Topics, June
2004
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/blackholes/interviews/MirjamCvetic.html
n the
Special Topic on Black Holes research over the past decade,
Dr. Mirjam Cvetic’s work ranks at #9, with 36 papers cited
845 times. According to the ISI
Essential
Science Indicators
Web product, Dr. Cvetic has 126 papers cited a total of 2,331
times to date to her credit in the field of Physics. Dr.
Cvetic is a Professor of High Energy Theoretical Physics at
the University of Pennsylvania. In the interview below, she
talks with our correspondent Gary Taubes about her highly
cited work on black holes.
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The
first questions are obvious ones. Your most-cited papers are on
so-called BPS black holes. So what does BPS stand for, what are they,
what can you tell us about how this research got started, and what
makes it so important?
Well, I started doing this work in the early 1990s, just as I was
beginning as an assistant professor at the University of
Pennsylvania. It had to do with the gravitational aspects of
supergravity theory, with ground-state solutions of supergravity
theory. I was working with four-dimensional theories in particular,
like the real world. This led me to study what we call domain walls,
which are gravitational objects that can interpolate between
different ground state solutions of this theory. The simplest form
of those are known as BPS solitons and BPS stands for the names of
the authors: Bogomol'nyi, Prasad, and
Sommerfeld. So I was working in the early 1990s on these very
symmetric topological objects in superstring theory because they are
stable and have a lot of beautiful properties, and that attracted me
to study these objects. They are the simplest solutions. They have
both mass and charge and those have an equality between them, which
makes the solution extra beautiful. It keeps the symmetry of the
original theory. Anyway, this
was all prior to when they become a big
popular subject, which happened during the second string revolution
in the fall of 1994 and the beginning of 1995.
Do
you prefer to work on subjects that are somewhat off the beaten path?
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“For the first time, with the advent of these D-branes, we had rigorous methods to connect the area of these black hole configurations to the underlying microscopic properties.”
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I am definitely not the kind of person who chases the latest fad.
My approach to science is more of a programmatic approach. I stumbled
over these beautiful configurations and then set myself up to
systematically pursue other BPS configurations, in part because of
their beauty, and in part because I believe they have something to do
with our understanding of nature.
At the time, the BPS solitons were not the focus of the community
so I had time, with my students and collaborators, to develop the
tools to construct solutions of the relevant equations and understand
their features. Those are configurations in supergravity theory that
have basically the minimal energy in their class. That makes them very
special. They are stable. They are protected from what we call quantum
corrections. They have certain classical features that are attractive,
this equality between mass and charge. Their other important feature
turned out to be something known as the area of the horizon which
specifies the thermodynamic entropy of the black hole. The existence
of BPS black holes in string theory with finite area of the horizon
became an important issue in early-to-mid ‘90s, since it was
believed that the horizon area of such black holes could have
microscopic interpretation as the black hole statistical entropy. In
the spring of 1995, Donam Youm, a student of mine, and I constructed
the first example of a BPS black hole in string theory that had a
finite horizon area and could serve as a prototype for the microscopic
interpretation of the black hole entropy. Subsequently, working with
Arkady Tseytlin, I made early important contributions to their
microscopic interpretation by studying the excitation modes of the
extended objects-branes which are
constituents of such black holes.
Why
do you think this work has become so highly cited?
As I said, I had the whole series of papers that developed
techniques for construction of these special BPS black holes. Then
with the second string revolution, these BPS black holes became a
hot subject. For the first time, with the advent of these D-branes,
we had rigorous methods to connect the area of these black hole
configurations to the underlying microscopic properties. The real
breakthrough came with the work of Strominger
and Vafa, who employed the quantum theory of D-branes to shed light
on the microscopics—the internal quantum mechanical states—of
this exact type of black hole that we had been working with all
along. In other words, examples of this black hole that we had
constructed provided prototypes for which we could now describe the
microscopics.
It
must have been an exciting time for you.
Well, I also happened to be on sabbatical leave that fall at the
Institute for Advanced Study. This was when we were all feeling this
excitement about the unification of all these disparate string
theories into what is now called M theory. The recognition that
these non-perturbative objects, these BPS states, played an
important role in understanding this unification came on top of
everything else. But, yes, it was exciting the way physics just kind
of turned my way.
With
the world catching up to your work on BPS black holes, did you have to
change the way you work as well?
You know, it was a blessing and a curse. It was exciting, but I
also felt a certain pressure now that what I was doing was hot.
Although, that pressure also motivated me. So those years, 1995 to
1997, were also my most productive years. The main prize went to
Strominger and Vafa, but I did really good work and contributed.
You
say that as though you have regrets about how the work turned out. Is
that fair to say? Is there anything you would do differently, looking
at back at this era?
I have to say I wish I had had more courage at the time. I may
have been a little bit too conservative. I was aware that these
black holes could be interpreted in terms of these D-branes; however
Strominger and Vafa made the important insights into quantum
interpretations of such D-branes. Had I been somewhat more
courageous my work might have made even more impact. I had all these
BPS black holes and yet I didn't really dare to apply the technique
of counting D-brane microstates, which was similar to the counting
employed with Arkady Tseytlin prior to the advent of D-branes. But
nevertheless my programmatic effort I pursued still paid off. I was
contributing to these microscopic interpretations, but my primary
role was constructing those prototypes, really providing the right
types of black holes with which we could say something important.
Where
did you go with these BPS black holes after the string theory
revolution?
From 1996 through 1998 I continued to focus on aspects of these
BPS black holes, particularly rotational solutions. I did some work
with Finn Larson, who was a post-doc here, and who worked with Frank
Wilczek on black hole microscopics prior to D-branes. It was a
programmatic approach with the goal to push our understanding of the
microscopics of these black holes beyond these BPS configurations,
beyond even near-BPS configurations. Can we understand this for
general black holes, not just these special BPS ones?
And
could you?
We were only semi-successful. The ultimate verdict on this
program is that these microscopics can really only be understood for
black holes that are close to the limit of BPS black holes, where
you have this beautiful feature that the mass is precisely related
to the charge. When one considers black holes far away from that
limit, when the mass is an independent parameter, you have a huge
class of other solutions for which we lose the microscopic
understanding.
How
would you describe the state of string theory and black hole research
today?
I would say we’re in a consolidation phase. In other words,
there is no specific-focused direction. It’s a little bit like the
early 1990s. People are working on different aspects of what we
believe is the fundamental theory, but there is no unifying focus at
the moment driving everybody in one direction.
And
where is your own research program aiming now?
I'm continuing to work on both gravitational and particle physics
aspects of string theory. My focus is understanding explicitly the
spaces on which we can compactify these multi-dimensional string
theories. I'm trying to understand how much real particle physics we
can get from string theory. Can we get standard model with three
families of quarks and leptons? So I'm still trying to marry the
gravitational aspects of string theory to the particle physics
aspects.
Isn’t
that the ultimate goal, to derive particle physics from string theory?
And are you optimistic that it can be done, at least in our lifetime?
People dismiss all that now because we can in principle find a
huge number of four-dimensional solutions from string theory. So a
lot of people now say, "Let’s not even bother to construct
such solutions. We know there will be a huge number. Let’s try to
study these solutions statistically and try to derive something from
there." I see it differently. I believe we have to dirty our
hands at some point. We have to really try to construct these
things. Even if we know there are billions of possibilities, we have
to demonstrate how far we can get to something that looks like the
real world. It is not the approach to the ultimate prize, but it’s
a way of seeing how far we can get. To make a long story short, I am
personally excited about the recent constructions with intersecting
D-branes, since they provide intriguing examples of the models with
the semi-realistic particle physics feature. We have constructed a
larger class of models, and they're more realistic and look more and
more like the standard model, with fewer and fewer potential
problems. And along the way we have advanced techniques to construct
such solutions. Will I find the ultimate vacuum of string theory?
Probably not. But understanding this class of solutions may play an
important role in the effort. This is my main motivation at this
point.
Mirjam Cvetic, Ph.D.
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA, USA

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ESI Special Topics,
June 2004
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/blackholes/interviews/MirjamCvetic.html
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