An INTERVIEW with Dr. Wolfgang Ketterle
ESI Special Topics, March
2004
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n this
interview, Special Topics correspondent Gary Taubes talks with
Wolfgang Ketterle about his highly cited work in the field of
Bose-Einstein condensates. According to our analysis of this
field over the past decade, Dr. Ketterle is the most-cited
scientist, with 74 papers cited a total of 5,824 times—six
of these papers appear in our listing of the top 20 papers.
His most-cited paper, "Bose-Einstein condensation in a
gas of sodium atoms," (Phys. Rev. Lett. 75[22]:
3969-73, 27 November 1995), ranks at #2 on our list. In the ISI
Essential Science Indicators
Web product, Dr. Ketterle’s work can be found in the field
of Physics. Dr. Ketterle was one of the Nobel Prize winners in
Physics in 2001, along with Eric Cornell and Carl Wieman. Dr.
Ketterle is the John D. MacArthur Professor of Physics at MIT,
where he is one of the principal investigators in the Atomic,
Molecular and Optical Physics Group in the Research Laboratory
of Electronics.
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Your lab has six of the top 20 papers in Bose-Einstein condensation
research. How do these papers reflect the progress in the field, and
what was the context in which this research was done?
There have been two phases of Bose-Einstein condensation research.
One was the discovery of Bose-Einstein condensation in 1995, and then
the immediate improvements in techniques, like creating a Bose-Einstein
condensate in a tightly confining magnetic trap, which was just
engineering a better system: we were able to observe Bose-Einstein
condensation in a more controlled way with a larger number of atoms.
So phase one was to establish Bose-Einstein condensation as a
phenomenon and as a system which can be studied. Phase two was the
pioneering studies of the properties of the condensate and
establishing Bose-Einstein condensation as a coherent source of atoms.
The latter was celebrated as the observation of a pulsed atom laser.
It was those two phases on which the Nobel Committee put significant
weight in their considerations.
What was the biggest challenge to doing the Bose-Einstein
condensation research?
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“The amazing thing is that the level of excitement just keeps growing. Every year or so there is a major surprise, a major discovery, and we really feel elated and excited about the new physics.”
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The challenge was to develop the technology and put a complex
experiment together. That took not just technical expertise, but also
experimental ingenuity, creativity, knowing what to do, what not to
do, and when to do things. It really was an experimental tour de
force. It needed the ideas and the vision, but also a lot of knowledge
of how to do it. From the point of view of atomic physics, the
developments in 1993, 1994, and 1995 revolutionized technical aspects
of atomic physics experiments. Nobody in the field knew how to operate
high-current power supplies for magnetic traps before then. Nobody had
done absorption imaging—to take shadow pictures of atoms. There were
early precursors of magnetic traps in the 1980s, but between 1993 and
1995, we developed room-temperature magnetic traps with high-current
power supplies, and all that had to be engineered. Everything had to
be done at ultrahigh vacuum, which was not the case with previous
experiments. It sounds very mundane because those techniques are now
standard in many atomic physics labs around the world. But after Bose-Einstein
condensation was first observed, it took other groups two years to
repeat it. This was the challenge they had to overcome. They had to
learn all these techniques, and then get everything to work at once.
Does that two-year gap explain why half of the top 20 papers come
from either your lab or Eric Cornell’s lab in Boulder?
Yes. That has been unprecedented. For two years the only two
productive experiments were the Boulder experiment and ours.
Did this surprise you?
Yes. In 1995, we didn’t really realize how many technologies we
had put together in the two years before Bose-Einstein condensation
was realized. Back then I thought that within a few months labs in
Europe and the U.S. would all realize Bose-Einstein condensation and
join in. And at every conference, we were waiting. When are all the
other groups coming? A whole year went by. A year and a half. Only in
the spring meeting of 1997 did other labs announce that now they had
caught up. But the explosion in theoretical research came immediately.
Hundreds of papers were published on the subject but the only
experiments to refer to were coming out of MIT and Boulder. It gave an
enormous focus to our papers, and that’s what made them so highly
cited.
How has the field evolved since 1997?
The field has dramatically developed. People are now using Bose-Einstein
condensates for research studies that I never even imagined early on.
For example, condensates in optical lattices, superfluidity, atom
optics with condensates. A very rich field is the study of rotating
condensates—there are hundreds of papers now just on rotating
condensates.
What are you focusing on now in your laboratory?
I have four labs working now. One is working on condensed matter
physics with Bose-Einstein condensates: phase transitions, optical
lattices, superfluidity. Two of my labs work on the atom-optical
aspects of condensates: interference, magnetic wave guides for
condensates, but also some independent aspects, like optical
properties of condensates, a phenomenon called superradiance. The
fourth lab works on the frontier of cold fermions. There the most
important goal is to understand the physics of correlated fermions.
That is where we may penetrate very, very deeply into the frontiers of
condensed matter theory.
What has been the most exciting part of this decade of research?
The amazing thing is that the level of excitement just keeps going.
Every year or so there is a major surprise, a major discovery, and we
really feel elated and excited about the new physics. Not a single
year goes by when some real surprise hasn’t happened; where you say,
"That’s just amazing. It’s too good to be true." Here’s
one concrete example: this is the year of cold molecules. These have
very different properties than cold atoms. People thought that
achieving cold molecules of Bose-Einstein condensation would be very
difficult, and then groups developed very different methods to do it.
This year, in an absolutely surprising simple way, within one month
three groups observed Bose-Einstein condensation of molecules. That
actually made some headlines just last month. These were the
Innesbruck group, the Boulder group, and my group at MIT.
And that actually relates directly to the 1998 highly cited paper
on Feshbach resonances (S. Inouye, M.R. Andrews, J. Stenger, H.J.
Miesner, D.M. Stamper-Kurn, W. Ketterle, "Observation of Feshbach
resonances in a Bose-Einstein condensate," Nature
392[6672]: 151-4, 12 March 1998). It is really very difficult to cool
a molecule to ultra-low temperature. People have not really solved
that. There’s no standard technique to do it. But we can cool atoms
very well. So why not take very cold atoms and form molecules out of
them using chemical reactions? Then you scratch your head and say, but
chemical reactions release heat. But if the molecule has a binding
energy close to zero, that means the two free atoms and the molecule
itself have almost the same energy. Then the two atoms can form a
molecule and there’s no heat released. And therefore ultra-cold
atoms form ultra-cold molecules, without needing any means to cool
molecules directly.
This coincidence, that a molecular state has the same energy as the
two colliding atoms, is called a Feshbach resonance. Then the
formation of molecules becomes a resonance process. This enhances the
rate of formation, and at the same time, there’s no excess energy
that has to be released.
What do you see for the next five years of research on Bose-Einstein
condensation?
One goal is the use of condensates for advancing atom optics, to
develop new or improved matter wave sensors. In condensed-matter
physics, we have two big goals. We would like to use ultra-cold atoms
to realize new forms of matter. You could call it designer matter. You
take atoms, you turn on a magnetic field, you adjust the interactions
between the atoms, shape the external potential, maybe add a lattice
by interfering laser beams, maybe add magnetic fields, maybe add a
spin mixture. In this way, you’ve created a form of matter that
shows, in a very clean way, properties like anti-ferromagnetism or
different forms of magnetic ordering, superfluid behavior. The other
big goal would be to realize new forms of superfluidity. That would
hopefully help to close the gap in our understanding of
high-temperature superconductivity. That’s my dream.
Is it within your grasp?
I am much more optimistic because of the breakthroughs of the last
few months. We put a system together which should show a
high-temperature, new form of high-temperature superfluidity. But the
question until a few months ago was if you put the system together,
would it be stable or would the atoms form molecules and release heat
or do something else, and would the system destroy itself? There were
reasons to expect that. But as an experimentalist, you try it anyway,
and the result was too good to be true. It’s not yet
high-temperature superfluidity. What you have in high-temperature
superfluidity, you have very strong pairing between atoms. They form
Cooper pairs, and we haven’t seen those yet. But we have observed
that those atoms can form molecules even more tightly bound than
Cooper pairs. So in some sense, we realized the tightest binding of
Cooper pairs. Sometimes, in life, as in physics, you understand the
extreme limits of behavior first. The tight binding limit of Cooper
pairs are molecules, and then superfluidity of Cooper pairs is Bose-Einstein
condensation of molecules. That’s sort of trivial. That’s well
understood. But now there is feverish activity in my lab and in others
to loosen up the binding energies of these molecules and turn them
into Cooper pairs.
It sounds as though the level of competition in the field, like the
excitement level, has not diminished in the past eight years or so?
I agree.
Does it ever get exhausting?
Well, you can’t rest. If you work at a high level, then you have
built up experimental set-ups; you’ve educated people who are top
scientists. So you’ve built an excellent team of collaborators. It’s
not as if every year you have to start from scratch. But, of course,
that two-year technology gap we had has now been closed. Now there are
several excellent groups around the world and there is a tight
competition. But that’s normal when something is truly exciting. If
there was no competition, that would be a bad sign.
Is there another Nobel Prize in this research?
Usually, you can’t predict major discoveries. In the next five or
ten years, very exciting things can happen. If an improved
understanding of superfluidity is realized, that would be big. But we
haven’t even really started. We’re just at the beginning. But the
field is very vibrant and rapidly moving. It still shows the dynamics
of a field that might lead to surprising discoveries. However, for a
Nobel Prize, something singular has to happen, and this is completely
unpredictable.
Has the progress and the rate of advance surpassed your
expectations from before the original discovery?
Yes, in many regards, and again and again. To be in a field now,
eight years after the discovery of Bose-Einstein condensation, and to
still see no signs of slowing down, that’s quite amazing.
Wolfgang Ketterle, Ph.D.
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Cambridge, MA, USA
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