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An INTERVIEW with Dr. George Eisenbarth

ESI Special Topics, May 2002
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/diabetes/interviews/DrGeorgeSEisenbarth.html

In this interview, Special Topics talks with Dr. George Eisenbarth about his highly cited work on diabetes. Dr. Eisenbarth ranked among the top 20 scientists in terms of total citations in our analysis of diabetes research over the past decade, with 110 papers cited a total of 1,825 times. In the ISI Essential Science Indicators Web product, Dr. Eisenbarth’s work can be found in the field of Clinical Medicine. Dr. Eisenbarth is the Executive Director of the Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes and is also Professor of Pediatrics, Medicine, and Immunology at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center in Denver.

ST:  When did you first know you wanted to be a scientist, and did any particular experience, event, or person influence your decision?

It was basically assumed that I would become a "doctor" in my family, and I remember my mother reading to me from the N.Y. Museum of Natural History science encyclopedia as I rowed her on a lake in the Catskills. My father worked for a time in the cafeteria of the museum. I was very fortunate to have a full Pulitzer scholarship to Columbia University, aDr. George Eisenbarth university I never would have thought to apply to but for an excellent English teacher.

The M.D./Ph.D. program at Duke was fantastic and I had a generous mentor, Dr. Harold Lebovitz. An important part of the program was help in affording medical school, and I could have gone into clinical medicine or research, depending on how research progressed. It always seemed to progress well. Dr. Lebovitz helped arrange at the time of my Endocrine fellowship for me to go to the National Institutes of Health to work in the laboratory of Marshall Nirenberg at the time the first monoclonal antibodies were being made. A colleague from Duke, Barton Haynes, was there at the same time, making rabbit antibodies to T cells in Dr. Fauci's laboratory and we were able to make some of the first anti-T cell monoclonals together, as well as monoclonals to islets and neurons.

ST:  What, in your opinion, is the significance of your work for the field?

I have pursued the hypothesis that type 1 diabetes is a chronic autoimmune disorder and, more important, that it is a predictable disease. In retrospect that seems obvious, but at the time I began my research in this area the majority of investigators believed in the acute development of diabetes (e.g., acute viral infections) for the majority of patients and there were many reports using our prior, more-difficult assays of immune phenomenon that poorly correlated with disease outcome. I have been fortunate at Duke, the Joslin Diabetes Center, and the Barbara Davis Center to be able to investigate both human and animal models. Both have provided concordant data, and with an international effort in this area, as well as international workshops to improve assays, it is now possible to predict type 1 diabetes in man and to prevent it in animal models. A large clinical effort is underway to prevent type 1 diabetes in children and a larger basic research effort will hopefully provide the knowledge to make this possible, including the development of immunologic vaccines for the prevention of autoimmunity.

ST:  What were the greatest challenges in performing and presenting your work?

Initially the work indicating chronic progression to diabetes was greeted with skepticism by a few, and I remember a small NIH conference where a senior diabetologist stated after I gave a talk "that is not my clinical experience." This was perhaps a minor problem in that investigators in many countries contributed rapidly to a large body of work. I was fortunate in receiving grants when I needed them during some difficult periods in terms of NIH funding. One of my colleagues, when I indicated that somehow the needed grant always came through, indicated wisely that "I was still here." I was also fortunate to be at institutions (Joslin and Barbara Davis Centers) where there is philanthropic support, something I believe has developed at many institutions and will provide stable support for the next generation of researchers.

The biggest challenge now is the difficulty of performing clinical trials to take the basic research to the level where we actually are able to prevent diabetes with our imperfect understanding of the disorder and lack of markers in humans of the T lymphocytes that cause disease.

ST:  What unexpected or serendipitous events arose in the course of your research?

The first monoclonal antibody I produced (A2B5) reacting with a complex ganglioside was made after immunizing with chicken retinal cells, but reacts beautifully with the surface of islet cells and thus provided me with an important reagent when I turned to studies of diabetes.

When I first came to the Joslin Diabetes Center, Dr. Stuart Soeldner had collected for more than a decade metabolic data and serum on identical twins of patients with type 1 diabetes, with a small number actually followed to diabetes. This serum bank combined with the metabolic data saved approximately 15 years of time in discovering the metabolic chronicity and autoantibody predictability of progression to diabetes.

ST:  What is your prediction for the state of our knowledge about your field 10 years from now?

I believe the molecular puzzles of autoimmunity will be solved for many disorders and in particular for type 1 diabetes. Importantly, assays that accurately measure the antigen specific T cells that cause disease and protect from it will be defined, and clinical trials will utilize this knowledge to devise preventive therapies.

ST:  Which of your professional achievements brings you the most satisfaction?

The realization and early formulation that type 1 diabetes is a chronic autoimmune disorder that could be predicted. This included dividing the development of diabetes into a series of stages beginning with genetic susceptibility, followed by triggering, autoimmunity, and then progressive metabolic deterioration.

ST:  What lessons would you draw from your work to pass on to the next generation of researchers?

  • Even for an ancient disorder such as type 1 diabetes, the fundamentals of disease may be completely misinterpreted—such as the time course of the disease.
  • A dramatic observation made in a small number of subjects (6 BB rats, 5 monozygotic twins) is likely to be generalizable despite a field that has a different paradigm.
  • An awful lot of time and publications are wasted with reports not able to distinguish the noise of assays from true biologic phenomenon, and international "blinded" workshops are very important in advancing fields especially in the areas of assays.

ST:  Would you like to leave any other comments about your work or share a personal side of yourself?

The system has been very forgiving, I have been lucky, and I have had great colleagues, and thus currently I head a center providing diabetes care and seeking to prevent and cure type 1 diabetes. I believe such interdisciplinary centers are essential to speed future medical research. As my fellows will attest, I have always erred on the side of sharing our research results as early as possible, as I realize that important medical advances will always be too late for someone. As I look ahead, I believe it is the job of this generation of university administrators to create endowments that will support basic research, but also to support academic clinical programs. In the past, clinical programs provided extra funds to basic research, while at present I believe it is easier to fund basic research and more difficult to fund academic clinical care, which is essential to advance clinical research. Perhaps I am lucky where I am, but I believe there is a great opportunity to now create such endowments.End

George S. Eisenbarth, M.D., Ph.D.
Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center
Denver, Colorado, USA

ESI Special Topics, May 2002
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/diabetes/interviews/DrGeorgeSEisenbarth.html

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