What
prompted your research interest in PBDEs?
My background is in mass spectrometry and analytical chemistry. I
had a long-standing interest in halogenated and aromatic
compounds—PCBs, for instance. The concentrations of these compounds
in the environment are going down, in some cases rather
dramatically. So I was at a meeting in Stockholm in 1998, sitting in
the audience in a darkened room, when this Swedish student presented
a paper about PBDEs in human milk in Sweden as a function of time.
The Swedes had the foresight to actually keep an archive of human
milk samples for at least the last 30 years—maybe longer. This
student went back and analyzed many of those samples, and the
concentrations of PBDEs were not only increasing, they were doing so
exponentially, doubling in concentration about every five years.
Well, I woke up.
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“I don’t want to
leave anyone with the impression that
these brominated compounds are
inherently bad. They’re persistent, and
they do move around in the environment.
On the other hand, they do prevent
fires.” |
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I had been a little worried before that the compounds I was
studying would disappear from the environment before I retired. Here
was something that was increasing—dramatically—which meant it was
something out of control. The data were very striking. I put my hand
up, and asked, "Can you tell me why the concentration is going up?"
She looked up at me and replied, "I’m not as old as you are, so I
really couldn’t tell you." After that, I came back to the US and
assigned one of my students to look into it.
What
was the first step?
I had been collaborating with a colleague in the medical school
here at Indiana University, in the department of obstetrics and
gynecology, so I asked him about PBDEs in people. The first thing he
said was that it would be really interesting to look at babies. If
the PBDE concentrations in human milk were going up, these
concentrations were probably going up in babies too. Eventually, we
were able to get delivery room nurses, after the delivery, to drain
some blood out of the umbilical cord—blood that minutes ago had been
in the baby. We analyzed those samples and found relatively high
levels of PBDEs. In fact, the levels were 10 to 20 times higher than
they were in the human milk samples from Sweden.
In the meantime, we actually went through the human subjects
committee and got permission to sample the mothers’ blood, as well.
The concentrations in the mothers and in the babies were very
similar, again 20 times higher than in Europe. That was a striking
finding.
Then my students went on to do a variety of other studies, mostly
related to PBDE concentrations in the Great Lakes.
Why
do you think that paper on PBDEs in umbilical cord blood is not cited as
much as some of your other papers?
Well, it was published in Environmental Health Perspectives,
a journal with a pretty good citation index, so I really don’t know.
Reviews always get a lot of citations, which basically explains why
my 2004 paper in Environmental Science and Technology
("Polybrominated diphenyl ethers in the environment and in people: A
meta-analysis of concentrations," 38[4]: 945-56, 15 February 2004)
has been cited a lot.
What
do you consider the most interesting aspect of that 2004 review?
When I did that review, I got together all the concentration data
that existed at that time. The interesting thing is that I was able
to get human tissue, blood, and milk data from pretty much all
around the world. There was not much data from China, but in Japan,
Europe, and the US. When I plotted all that data as a function of
time, I saw a significant concentration increase starting in the
1970s. After that, these concentrations doubled every three to five
years. In addition, the US concentrations were well above the
regression line by a factor of at least 10 or 20.
Why
did you decide to publish that article in ES&T?
I’m an associate editor of ES&T, which is the number-one
rated journal, by any number of measures, in environmental
chemistry. The only topic ES&T doesn’t fully cover is the
ecology side of environmental science, but the chemistry, physics,
and engineering sides are all covered well. ES&T has the
highest rating for science in Journal Citation Reports® in the field
of Environmental Engineering. It’s very highly rated, and people
read this journal. It’s the one journal you can publish in and know
that everybody in the environmental chemistry community will see it.
I put the human baby data in Environmental Health Perspectives
because I thought that audience was a little more attuned to
environmental pollutants in people than ES&T, although
ES&T would probably have taken it as well. On the other hand,
ES&T has a 65% rejection rate, so it’s even getting tough for
me, an associate editor, to get my papers in there.
How
has the state of knowledge about PBDEs changed since your 2004 review?
What do we know now that we didn’t know then?
As you might expect, everybody has been measuring PBDEs in
everything. There are probably another 200 papers on PBDE
concentrations in this, that, or the other thing. In fact, those
papers are getting increasingly difficult to publish because we know
PBDEs are in everything.
What’s now going on is a little more on the side of mechanistic
interests. How do PBDEs get from the place where they are
used—namely in polyurethane foam or plastic or carpet padding—into
people and out into the environment? How are these compounds
transported through the environment? As they move through the air,
do they undergo any reactions with light or with hydroxyl radicals?
How do these compounds partition to particles? How far does this
atmospheric transport take these compounds? In addition, research
interests have moved on to include decabrominated diphenyl ether—the
jargon is BDE-209.
Why
the interest now in these deca compounds?
Initially, people had been finding tetra- through hexabrominated
PBDEs in the environment, and these had come from two commercial
products: one was called the penta product, and it was a mixture of
brominated diphenyl ethers with four to six bromines, and the other
was called the octa product, which was a mixture of brominated
diphenyl ethers with six to nine bromines. Given these early
results, there was enough public pressure and enough interest from
the press that these two products were withdrawn from the
marketplace.
The other major PBDE product consisted almost exclusively of
decabrominated diphenyl ether, and there was about 10 times more of
this being manufactured than of the penta and octa products. The
deca PBDE product was not removed from the market, and the companies
that make it maintained that it "is like a rock," and it is probably
going to stay on the market.
Around 2004, the analytical technology for decabrominated
diphenyl ether got better, and now everybody is interested in
measuring it in animals like polar bears and penguins. If you went
to conferences in 2004 on brominated flame retardants, there
wouldn’t have been much discussion about deca PBDE, but at the last
conference I went to in April of 2007, at least half the talks were
about it.
What
were they discussing? Is this deca compound like a rock?
The issue is two-fold. One question is, does the deca degrade to
lower homologues—say, to penta or tetra PBDEs? It does under some
conditions, and doesn’t under others. So that’s an open issue. The
other question is more straightforward: is deca persistent and
bio-accumulative? If it can be shown that this is the case, then
that’s a presumption for it to be considered an environmental
problem in Europe. This argument will not work in the US, though. In
the US, you have to show a compound is toxic before its use can be
restricted. It seems to me that finding deca in the Arctic is a
pretty good indication that it’s persistent.
Where
has your research gone in the past few years?
I’m still working on brominated ethers. I just had a student
graduate about a month ago, who looked very carefully at some
chemistry questions. He measured gas-phase rate constants for the
reaction of PBDEs with the hydroxyl radical in a fundamental study.
Then he put together a mass balance model to show why the different
PBDE homologues accumulate in lake sediment differently. I also have
a long-term study going on, in which we are measuring the
atmospheric concentrations of brominated diphenyl ethers every 12
days at five different sites around the Great Lakes.
What’s
been the greatest challenge in making sense of the presence of PBDEs in
the environment, or in just doing the research?
A big challenge has been lack of funding. The EPA actually funded
the student I was just telling you about through one of their STAR
fellowships, which are very hard to come by. I was really impressed
that he was able to get one. The measurements around the Great Lakes
that we’re doing are funded by the Great Lakes National Program
Office of the EPA. But the national EPA is not putting any money
into PBDEs at all. My guess is that this is for two reasons: one,
why do any research? It’s crossed off the EPA’s list; PBDEs are not
made any more. The other reason is that the EPA doesn’t have much
money to be doing research of any sort.
What
have you learned about PBDEs that really came as a surprise?
The fact that US environmental and human levels of these
compounds are 20 times higher than those in Europe was striking to
me. But once you go back and look at where brominated flame
retardants are sold and what kind of material is sold in different
places, it makes sense. I gave a talk on this once and there were a
bunch of Europeans in the audience. I said the average US PBDE
concentration in people is about 30 nanograms per gram of lipids and
in Europe it’s about two. A Swiss guy shouted out from the back of
the room, "Once again, the US wins by 28 points."
An interesting finding is that the Japanese levels are a lot
lower than those in Europe, which was a surprise. The Japanese eat a
lot of fish—about 300 grams of fish a day, and we eat maybe 10 grams
here. That means the Japanese diet is very much more closely
connected to the environment than ours. Most environmental
pollutants would be expected to be higher in the Japanese. Mercury
levels, for example, are a lot higher in Japan than here. So it was
a surprise that the Japanese levels were so low. This result
probably means the Japanese don’t use as much of these diphenyl
ethers to flame-retard their household goods as we do.
Is
there one message you’d like to give to the general public about PBDEs
and your research that we haven’t discussed?
Yes. I don’t want to leave anyone with the impression that these
brominated compounds are inherently bad. They’re persistent, and
they do move around in the environment. On the other hand, they do
prevent fires. You and I are probably sitting on polyurethane foam
right now. Without flame retardants in that foam, if you dropped a
cigarette on it, you’d have a pretty good fire. That’s also true of
mattresses, which have to be flame-retarded because of people who
smoke in bed. Without brominated flame retardants, there would be a
lot more deaths by fire.
I talk to the manufacturers about their products; we all go to
the same conferences and we heckle each other. These guys believe
that they’re doing good work preventing fires, which could kill
thousands of people if they didn’t manufacture these compounds and
that we are just alarmist environmentalists who can detect these
compounds at levels that don’t mean anything. I ask why don’t they
find a product that doesn’t get out into the environment and
accumulate in people and animals, such as polar bears? They do
respond to bad press, and they do take some of their products off
the market. I assume they are now marketing new brominated flame
retardants that are not as environmentally persistent and
transportable. That’s all anyone can ultimately ask from the
flame-retardant industry: they should keep making flame retardants,
but they should figure out a way to make them stay put in the
polyurethane foam.
Ronald Hites, Ph.D.
Distinguished Professor
School of Public and Environmental Affairs
Indiana University
Bloomington, IN, USA