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ESI Special
Topics: July 2007
Citing URL: http://esi-topics.com/solar-cells/interviews/ReneJanssen.html |
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An INTERVIEW with Prof. Dr. René Janssen |
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ccording
to our Special Topics analysis of solar cells research over
the past decade, Prof. Dr. René Janssen's work ranks at #11,
with 39 papers cited a total of 1,038 times. In
Essential
Science IndicatorsSM,
Prof. Dr. Janssen's record includes 96 papers cited a total
of 2,964 times to date in the field of Chemistry and 40
papers cited a total of 787 times to date in the field of
Materials Science. Prof. Dr. Janssen is a full professor in
physics and chemistry at the Eindhoven University of
Technology in the Netherlands as well as a visiting
professor at the University of Angers in France. In the
interview below, he talks with correspondent Gary Taubes
about his work on solar cell technology. |
What
prompted the research that led to your highly cited 2000 Journal of
Physical Chemistry B paper (Peeters E, et al., "Synthesis,
photophysical properties, and photovoltaic devices of
oligo(p-phenylene-vinylene)-fullerene dyads," 104[44]: 10174-90, 9
November 2000)?
The reason we started it is we wanted to know about how electron
transfer occurs in materials used in polymer solar cells. So we
decided to attach the conjugated polymer and the fullerene
covalently because that enables you to take these materials into
different conditions, different solvents, and you can always be sure
that the fullerene and the polymer remain close and connected
properly. In a normal solar cell, the best way to use the materials
now is in a mixture, where the fullerene and the polymer, for
instance, are not really bound together, but mixed together. By
bonding them together covalently, it allowed us to study them in
detail and gave us these new insights.
Why
do you think that paper is so highly cited?
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 “The
nice thing about this work is the
realization that one day it might make
significant contributions to the goal of
renewable energies.” |
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Of our three or four most-cited papers, I think this one has the
most probably because it’s the oldest. I should add that this was a
collaboration between our group, Serdar Sariciftci’s in Linz and
Kees Hummelen’s group at Groningen University. What happened is that
together with the Groningen group, we prepared the molecules; we did
the photophysics, and the group at Linz made working photocells out
of these molecules.
Were
these high-efficiency photocells?
In terms of performance, the cells were not that great. That
wasn’t the point. I think the reason they got a lot of citations was
because we were able to pinpoint some very interesting photophysics
happening with these materials.
In this field, we tend to approach the science in two different
ways. On one side, we try, of course, to optimize these organic
solar cells and so constantly improve them. At the same time, we are
continuously engaged in trying to understand why and how they work.
This particular paper was really a study of the latter, rather than
an attempt to improve performance. It’s a scientific analysis.
What were the new photophysics that you reported?
We showed that in many of these systems, there is an
electron-transfer reaction between the polymer and the fullerene,
and in that particular study, we showed that the electron-transfer
reaction actually competes with energy transfer. That has turned out
to be common in many of these materials. It’s still an issue that
hasn’t been fully resolved, and not everyone agrees on what’s
happening, but from our point of view, there is a very strong
competition between energy and electron transfer. That was the
message of that paper and that’s why it is so highly cited.
Was
your highly cited 2003 paper in Angewandte Chemie (Wienk MM, et
al., "Efficient methano[70]fullerene/MDMO-PPV bulk heterojunction
photovoltaic cells," 42[29]:3371-5, 2003) an advance on this same line
of research?
That is another story. Again, it’s part of a collaboration, this
time with the same group in Groningen and now with the Energy
Research Centre of the Netherlands. That paper is very interesting.
In a normal polymer solar cell, the polymer is used together with
C60 or a derivative of C60. And C60 has a number of very good
properties for solar cells, but one is not so good: the compound
itself really does not absorb too much light. The basic reason for
that is that it is a spherical compound, which means many of the
optical absorptions are what we call forbidden. The result is a low
coefficient of absorption.
We thought that if we replaced C60 with one of the higher
fullerenes—say, C70, which is not round but more egg-shaped and less
symmetric—then some of these optical absorptions that are forbidden
with C60 become allowed and we could get a higher coefficient of
absorption. That was the idea. That means now that the fullerene can
contribute to the current of the photocell, which it doesn’t in a
typical polymer solar cell.
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Prof. Dr. René Janssen's
most-cited paper with 746 cites to date: |
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Sirringhaus H, et al., "Two-dimensional
charge transport in self-organized, high-mobility
conjugated polymers," Nature 401(6754):
685-8, 14 October 1999. |
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Essential Science Indicators |
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So that paper reports on the first combination of a polymer with
the C70 molecule and, indeed, we demonstrated a 50% higher current
than in the same cell using C60. That was a new insight for many
people. I don’t remember if it was a world record at the time, but
it was one of the best-performing polymer solar cells of that year.
It was certainly one of the very first or very few rational
improvements to a photocell.
That’s
an interesting statement. How are solar cells usually improved if not
rationally?
A lot of intuition and art goes into this business. Improvements
are usually a combination of many intuitive guesses. This was one of
the few times that a simple change resulted in such a big change in
absorption and paid off at the end in efficiency.
What
is the role of the fullerene in these solar cells?
It plays the role of accepting an electron from the polymer. The
polymer and the fullerenes are mixed together; the mixture is
excited with light, and in most cases, the polymer absorbs most of
the light, which brings it to an excited state. Then it gives an
electron to the fullerene; the negative charge is transported by the
fullerene, and the positive charge by the polymer. With two
materials, you get this charge separation. It doesn’t occur in the
polymer alone and it doesn’t occur in the fullerene alone.
So
why fullerenes instead of some other less-exotic molecule?
First of all, fullerenes have quite good electron-accepting
properties. Many molecules can do that, so in that sense C60 isn’t
unique, but it has much better electron-transport properties than
many of the other materials that have been tried. It’s quite good at
what we call charge-carrier mobility; that is, the ability of
materials to allow electrons to migrate or flow under the influence
of an external electric field. It allows us to extract charges from
the solar cell quickly. What you’re doing in a solar cell is making
positive and negative charges. The trick is to get them out as
quickly as possible. If you don’t, there’s a fair chance they will
recombine and you end up with heat. They only contribute to the
electrical power if you extract them from the cell. So charge
generation and collection is key and fullerenes allow you do it.
Basically there are four steps that are important in solar cells:
absorption of light, generation of charges, transport of charges to
electrodes, and then collection of charges. If you can control each
of these four processes you can make a reasonably efficient organic
solar cell.
That’s the basic principle of solar cells. We know those
principles, but it’s finding the details of how to organize these
materials to make cells better and better over the years that has
always been as much art and intuition as science.
How
has the field or plastic solar cells changed since your 2003 paper?
In 2003, most people were still working with a polymer called PPV.
At the time it gave efficiencies of maybe 2.5%. With C70, we could
improve that to 3%. In 2003, the first reports came out of another
polymer, P3HT. That material is now kind of the state of the art in
this field. With C60 or C70, it reaches efficiencies of slightly
above 4%. There are other reports in the literature claiming 5% or
more, but I think most people agree that efficiencies between 4 and
5% are realistic measurements.
It’s rather difficult to measure these efficiencies very
accurately. There’s no real fundamental reason why it shouldn’t be
higher in the future with other materials. People are working on
that, of course, and there are options that might get efficiencies
well above 7 or 8%, maybe even higher. Although the better they get,
the more difficult it becomes to make them even better.
Acknowledging
that predictions are often a fruitless business, where do you see the
field going in the next five years?
I would hope that by then there might be some first products,
small-scale products, that use organic
solar cells for
generating power. I hope that by then the state of the art will have
improved to 8%, but, again, that’s just a guess.
What
do you have to do to achieve that efficiency?
I think we know what kind of specifications we need for the
materials that will get us there—in terms of how much light they
should absorb, where the energy levels should be, what the
charge-carrier mobility should be. If we can do all that in one
material, we can get an efficiency of 7 or 8 or even 10%.
The problem, the heart of the issue, is that these material
parameters are very difficult to predict when you’re making a new
polymer. It’s a multi-parameter question and if you change one
thing, you simultaneously change three or four other things in ways
you can’t predict. So we have to be clever and maybe get a bit
lucky.
After
15 years in the field, are you satisfied with the progress that’s been
made?
Yes and no, of course. In the early 1990s we were dreaming that
maybe one day you could go to a home improvement market and buy a
bottle of paint, and paint a photovoltaic wall on the side of your
house. It’s a nice dream, but the further along we get the more we
learn how difficult that is. We’ve made very good progress over the
years; there’s a lot we now understand about these materials—how and
why they work.
But, as a scientist, you’re never satisfied in the end. If I were
content with what we’ve accomplished, there would be nothing for me
to do. I always say that you need a kind of discontent in a field to
make progress. The field has made nice progress over the last
decade, but it’s never fast enough. The nice thing about this work
is the realization that one day it might make significant
contributions to the goal of renewable energies. There, too,
progress cannot be fast enough.
So
is the idea of painting photovoltaic walls on the side of a house
unrealistic?
It’s still a dream, but it’s not out of the question. We now know
just little more that it’s not going to be easy. It’s not so
difficult to make solar cells or conducting paint. The challenge is
making something really efficient that lasts for a long time. But
never say never. All scientists somehow like to prove those things
that other people say are impossible.
Prof. Dr. Ir. R.A.J. Janssen
Eindhoven University of Technology
Chemical Engineering and Chemistry
Molecular Materials and Nanosystems
Eindhoven, The Netherlands
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