When
did you start working on innate immunity and the study of toll-like
receptors?
My work in innate immunity began in the early 1980s, during which
time I identified and purified a molecule that we now know as tumor
necrosis factor (TNF). I also was the first to show that TNF is an
inflammatory protein. My interest in TNF turned then to what caused
its production. I knew that TNF was made in large quantities in
response to infection and that it could mediate many of the effects
of an infection. The most powerful stimulus for TNF induction was
lipopolysaccharide (LPS), and I began to wonder what the receptor
for LPS was. I became obsessed with finding this receptor and that
led directly to the 1998 paper in Science.
So
when did you purify TNF?
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“There are now known to be 12 Toll-like
receptors in mice; 10 in humans, and
together they protect mammals very
strongly against infection.” |
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In 1985, although, to be precise, what I reported was the
purification of mouse TNF. Human TNF was purified independently by
workers at Genentech and they completed that a little before I did.
It was also in 1985 that I showed that TNF is able to mediate the
lethal effect of LPS in mice. That was strongly controversial at the
time. People conceived of TNF as a non-toxic factor for treating
cancer, when, to the contrary, I said it was really very toxic and
does much of what LPS can do.
What
exactly is LPS and why is it so significant?
LPS was originally known by the term "endotoxin," a word coined
around 1890 by Richard Pfeiffer, who was a colleague of Robert Koch.
These researchers had discovered something intrinsically toxic about
gram-negative bacteria; Pfeiffer referred to this toxic essence as
endotoxin. People then managed over the decades to show that
endotoxin was equivalent to LPS, an important structural component
of all gram-negative bacteria.
For some reason, LPS is extremely toxic to animals and humans.
Inject it into either and they develop fever and shock and look very
much as though they have a real infection. At least a large part of
that effect has to do with the ability of LPS to induce TNF, which
is a toxic cytokine. So TNF is the mediator of many of the effects
of LPS. Yet it was also shown that animals that can’t respond to LPS
as the result of a mutation in the LPS receptor are highly
vulnerable to gram-negative infections. This established that
sensing LPS is essential to an effective immune response. The big
question then came to center on how we detect LPS. In effect, how do
we really know when we have an infection? How do we know when we’re
sick? How do we discriminate self from non-self?
So
you began searching for the LPS receptor in the late 1980s?
Yes. I tried various approaches. There had been a mouse known
since the 1960s that could survive any amount of LPS you could give
it. That mouse did not make TNF in response to LPS, and in fact, did
not show any detectable response of any kind if you injected it with
pure LPS. People suspected that it had a mutation in the LPS
receptor. I began working with that mouse extensively.
I first tried to use biochemical methods to find the LPS receptor
and that got me nowhere. Then I tried expression cDNA cloning and
that also went nowhere. Finally, in 1993, with a growing density of
markers in the mouse genome, I decided to try to positionally clone
the mutation.
We mapped the mutation to very high resolution and proved it was
in a very small region of mouse chromosome 4. We then cloned all the
genomic DNA across that region, and began looking for genes. Finally
we found a candidate gene that was homologous to the interleukin-1
receptor. It was also similar to—and named after—a Drosophila
protein called Toll. And before I go on I should tell you a little
bit about Toll in the fly.
Okay,
what about Toll in the fly?
The Drosophila Toll story was extremely exciting to us at
time. In the fly, the Toll protein had been known since the
mid-1980s to participate in development and to be involved in
differentiation of dorsal structures from ventral structures that
ultimately form different elements in the adult fly. The Nobel Prize
was awarded to Christiane Nüsslein-Volhard for her remarkable
genetic studies in this area. .
Of great importance, in 1996, Jules Hoffmann and his colleagues
in Strasbourg showed that Toll is required in adult flies to fight
off fungal infections. If flies have a mutation in Toll or its
endogenous protein ligand, then the flies will be wiped out if they
are injected with fungal spores. And so the Toll protein is used by
flies to detect a fungal infection, while in mice, we had identified
a paralogue of the family that was used to detect a gram-negative
infection.
And
this was the discovery that made your 1998 Science paper so
significant?
This was the paper that told what Toll-like receptors do. This
paper clearly showed that TLR4 was a non-redundant sensor for LPS,
and from that, it could be inferred that other TLRs probably detect
other conserved molecules of microbial origin. LPS had been the
object of keen interest for over 100 years—people had known a
receptor for LPS must exist, but nobody had known what it was. We
cloned it and opened the door to understanding much more about
microbial sensing. That’s what this paper was all about and why it
has been so highly cited.
As it turned out, TLR4 is one of a family of very similar
proteins with similar functions: another member of the family
detects lipopeptides, which is something many different microbes
make. Another member of the family detects double stranded RNA;
another member detects unmethylated DNA; another member detects
flagellin, which is the protein in the whip-like structures that
bacteria use to propel themselves through the media they’re in.
Similar versions of flagellin are very common among both
gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria and evidently we have
evolved a TLR to detect it. Another member of the family detects
single-stranded RNA.
There are now known to be 12 Toll-like receptors in mice; 10 in
humans, and together they protect mammals very strongly against
infection. They’re probably the main form of protection that we have
against viral, bacterial, and fungal infection. They’re not totally
unique in that respect, but we now know that if mice don’t have TLR
signaling, they are severely compromised. So this is how we become
aware of infection. The first events in sensing microbes had been a
fundamental question in immunology.
Were
there any unexpected or serendipitous events that arose in the course of
your research?
Well, we always knew what we were after. The process of
positional cloning is one in which you more and more tightly confine
a mutation to a part of a chromosome. We knew that eventually we
would find the mutation, so there was nothing serendipitous about
that. Although I guess you could say that the fact that those mice
existed was serendipitous. The phenotype of LPS unresponsiveness was
caused by a spontaneous mutation—someone just happened to notice in
the 1960s that C3H/HeJ strain mice don’t respond to endotoxin, knew
that this was an important observation, and published their
findings.
Is
there anything about TLRs that has come as a complete surprise to you?
At the time, we were surprised to see how very similar the
strategies used by mammals and insects for host defense were. If you
were a Drosophila person at the time and you were wondering
what the TLRs do in mammals, you might have guessed that they were
involved either in development or in immunity, but you wouldn’t make
a very specific guess about what any of them did. Our discovery told
us that they really have very, very similar functions, although the
mammal has no need for TLRs in development—that’s a unique
requirement in the fly.
Where
is the study of toll-like receptors going today? How has it evolved in
the past decade and what does future hold?
It’s been a real explosion in immunology. For starters, innate
immunity gained immense credibility from this discovery. And now I
think people are heading in several different directions. Some
people are interested in the possibility that autoimmune diseases
and chronic inflammatory diseases in general might be caused by
signaling through this family of TLRs. Lots of companies are
spending considerable effort trying to either neutralize TLRs.
That’s a practical application that may have enormous fallout.
Another possible application might be to use TLRs to drive immune
responses when you want them to occur. Some molecules like LPS have
long been known to be adjuvants—that is, they help to drive an
adaptive response to an antigen; they help to make antibodies. We’ve
done a fair amount of work in that area; we know that TLRs can
indeed signal an adaptive response. We also know that they’re not
the only way to get an adaptive response—there might be some ways
that prove to be even better.
In hindsight, we see that certain useful drugs actually work by
stimulating TLRs. I am thinking of a drug called imiquimod that has
been around for a long time—the trade name is Aldara. This drug is
quite effective at treating warts, but as more recent clinical
experience has shown, it’s also good for treating basal cell
carcinomas. We didn’t know the mechanism of action until quite
recently. As
Shizuo Akira and his colleagues showed, imiquimod turned out to
be a ligand for TLR7, which normally senses single-stranded RNA.
This suggests that one might potentially harness TLR signaling to
treat other kinds of cancer as well.
On a more basic level, there are still a lot of questions about
just how TLRs signal, and a lot of people are still working on that.
What
are you now pursuing in your laboratory?
I have become enamored of the forward genetic approach, through
which we made the first assignment of function to a mammalian TLR.
You start with a phenotype—for instance, a mouse that doesn’t
respond to endotoxin—and you track down the mutation that is
responsible. We’ve continued to do that since about 2000. But we
don’t rely upon spontaneous phenotypes; what we do is mutagenize the
mice at random. We screen them for defects of TLR signaling or other
aspects of immunity. We might look, say, for mice that can’t handle
an ordinarily trivial virus or a mouse that’s highly resistant to a
particular pathogen. Any time we find such a phenotype, we track it
down and find the cause.
The key is that things are much faster in positional cloning than
they used to be. Where it took five years to clone one mutation a
decade ago, we can now clone 20 or 30 mutations in a year. In this
way, we’ve found new molecules involved in TLR signaling pathways
and we’ve found many surprising genes that are required for mice to
combat viral infections. We’ve worked very closely on this with
Jules Hoffmann and Shizuo Akira. We share with them a grant that is
dedicated to about the study of host defense in viral infection.
This
is a question I tend to ask everyone these days. If we lived in an ideal
world, which means you had unlimited funding for your research, what
experiments would you do?
I’ll preface my answer by saying that we do live in a golden age
of genetics and, in fact, we are limited only by resources.
The long-term goal is to find out what all genes do. We focus on the
area of innate immunity and we would like to pinpoint all the genes
required for a robust immune response, and understand how they
operate to give us resistance to infection. We’re getting there. We
could get there faster if we had infinite resources.
I think the day will be here fairly soon when we can see a
strange phenotype in the morning, sequence the genome of that mouse
for a few dollars, know the sequence by the afternoon, and then
identify the mutation responsible for that phenotype. That time is
coming.
I guess if I had infinite resources, I would try to make it come
sooner. When that day arrives, we’ll soon know the essential
function of any and every gene required for an immune response. Then
we should be able to figure out, although not quite so easily, how
they all fit together.
Bruce Beutler, M.D.
The Scripps Research Institute
La Jolla, CA, USA